Place where notes go from Meta Magicians at Council of Paris
Real time notes in HackMD https://hackmd.io/WSTo7yjBSKmg_ExGJYqc-A – now imported below
Action Items
Badges on Discourse
@pet3rpan did some work on this previously. Existing Github Issues:
- https://github.com/ethereum-magicians/scrolls/issues/14
- https://github.com/ethereum-magicians/scrolls/issues/37
@jpitts needs to create roles with permissions and hand out admin and/or mod to people who want to work on this (create Github Issue)
Team:
- @ChainSafe
- add your name
More to be extracted from notes below…
WIP
Adeola:
- Berlin, Marketing
- education front – trying to move forward – realization
- trying to solve onboarding, resources against it, funding against
- positions
Maggie:
- how do things move forward?
- cadence of events
- remote friendly, no idea how things move
- implementation isn’t sexy – McKinsey vs IBM
Scott:
- Gitcoin
- funding?
Phil:
- Berlin, Parity
- project management
- how can Magicians take the burden off CoreDevs
- how to talk to CoreDevs who don’t want to be so involved – do the dirty work, so they can just do the implementation
Luke:
- Parity
- look at EthResearch – action: make a mastering ethereum structure on Github
Boris:
- 2 of 3 o
- events –
Michael:
- MyCrypto
- education
- bring more organizations in
Harry:
- MyCrypto
- Educating users on events
Kevin:
- MyCrypto
- Governance but also getting things done
Taylor:
- MyCrypto
- universal problem with remote environment – people on the inside doing things, people on the outside looking in, people on the outside
- EF sees themselves as something
- just communication – being very explicit, way to get more info, how to get involved
- empowering people to take steps
- finding people to lead the charge – ownership and altruistic
Elias:
- spending 5 years doing uncool shit – teaching people
Nathalia:
- GenesisDAO
- focus on the combo of altruistic, empowered and welcome
- being strategic
- many ants, little convergence
Peter:
- does this organization have teeth?
- started as technical governance
- how do we sustain funding without sponsors
- money in politics is problematic
- stepping up to technical review process
EthMagicians Getting Stuff Done / What we Do
Infrastructure
Multisig:
Aidan
Elias
Greg
Github Issue
Github Issues is inaccessible to random community members
Is it a bad thing?
Anonymity is important
- Forum mods and rules of engagement dev – roberts rules of order – how to have civil discourse
- Badges – create EthMagicians
- Intro forum
Aidan, Peter, Luke
Elias:
each community has its own rules
lists of stewards in different areas “I will teach you how this works”
Chaals:
Anonymous participation is hairy
Aidan:
Badges!
Kevin:
not time to be exclusive
you are forcing a lot of people out
onboard – as long as people are checking it
Maggie:
working with people get stuff done by some date – great
timelines deadlines accountability
what we use to get things done
Distinction?
Pseudonmyous – yes, not anonymous
Lead by example
mobs on Reddit
Can solve them – find good ways without gatekeepers
Adeo:
getting shit done
Aidan:
we got pepe’d – need to start hardening
What are magicians getting
Governance
intro
Greg:
EIP who needs – Audience Review
Phil:
EIP that came out of signaling out of Denver – clear action item
Peter:
EthMagicians – house discussions
Not secret meetings and cabals accusing
-
Two or three teams came out of Berlin and Prague – spinning off
Signaling apps, self organizing
Tentagraph – link from Peter
Aragon grant, POC -
More formalized – what is meant to be? Technical review of EIPs – needs to be its own thing – EIP editors more formal group
Maggie:
What makes people feel rewarded? Or formal?
Adi:
Have discussions of great action items – wait and hope
Cycle of waiting
Giving people authority or roles
Aidan:
Don’t want to formalize roles
Elias:
follow up make sure stuff gets done
Remco:
emphasize need for a technical forum
that is only accessible to people who are accesible
private forums
Boris – email, EVM discussions, etc
IETF uses mailing lists
Mike:
boards with specific technical people
core problems with EthMagicians
What it is has bloated – a lot of the problem with delivering
no incentive
Taylor:
priorities
don’t commit – can’t make myself do this, over everything that happens at my company
hard, but we have to realize that this is a priority for certain
TJ Rush:
understand
read only
Peter:
e.g fund recovery, without sock puppet levels of feedback that this should die
eg brigading and banned from a variety of channels
troll hunting
Remco:
Cambridge – lunch by Stephen Hawking
Entry exam – open to anyone
Maggie:
incentives – working at Consensys
Chaals:
don’t make exclusive venues
go troll hunting
exit barrier
Aidan:
ETH2 – no one asked us to work on beacon chain
if this is the future of Ethereum – a self organizing
Taylor:
random people doing shit for me
specific instructions
put a bounty up – do 1, 2, 3, 4
translations
Adeo:
then why do we feel stuff isn’t happening?
Taylor:
great if there are clear instructions – eg. do a google sheet
Nathalia:
curation
Adeo:
education on how / what to do
Kevin:
quantity of work vs how much stuff needs to get done
everyone wants to have their own project
no incentive to it – incentivizing people, there are very few to get stuff done
Onboard new people? Education!
Scott:
Advocate for bounties
Surface and show issues – know that it exists
Taylor:
If a person puts money on the issue, explicit directions
Phil:
afraid of incentive structures
glory in there hills
success stories – if an EIP gets implemented – being involved – ear of CoreDevs
Do the work
Elias:
known about EthMagicians
MP messaged me, can you deal with education
Link – OK, is this OK?
Gave me the confidence
Stewards, small groups
Aidan:
we must not want things
Boris:
event organizing
TJ Rush:
Provide an interface for making good bounties?
Scott:
stewardship
question – how do we pick
Education - Elias volunt
Mike:
curating active rings
Adeo:
thinking beyond the audience here
beyond active people
Elias:
don’t have time, recruit more
curation
Charles:
millions of people have done open source
basically free and inefficient
ton of work
Not too much process
Boris: Call focused in 2 weeks
Fred:
what are we trying to get done?
On CoreDevs
A year ago, CoreDevs call better, less political discussions – is this implementable or not
CoreDevs meetup at Prague
January –
Greg:
People working on EIPs can pull together help
Very hard if you’re working on something, find other people who have skill and knowledge
When you got to CoreDevs
Fred / Boris:
Action: why should CoreDevs
Expertise gathering
Long form discussion
why / how
Elias:
doesn’t need to be define
platformed for different discussions
Rings
Greg:
obvious about recruiting CoreDevs
People
CoreDevs
Adi: breakthrough Education
Adi: Frustration on Ethereum roadmap – making decisions?
Nathalie: Genesis DAO - 170 people