Council of Paris - Meta Magicians

meta-magicians
council-paris-2019

#1

Place where notes go from Meta Magicians at Council of Paris

Real time notes in HackMD https://hackmd.io/WSTo7yjBSKmg_ExGJYqc-A – now imported below


Action Items

Badges on Discourse

@pet3rpan did some work on this previously. Existing Github Issues:

@jpitts needs to create roles with permissions and hand out admin and/or mod to people who want to work on this (create Github Issue)

Team:

More to be extracted from notes below…

WIP


Adeola:

  • Berlin, Marketing
  • education front – trying to move forward – realization
  • trying to solve onboarding, resources against it, funding against
  • positions

Maggie:

  • how do things move forward?
  • cadence of events
  • remote friendly, no idea how things move
  • implementation isn’t sexy – McKinsey vs IBM

Scott:

  • Gitcoin
  • funding?

Phil:

  • Berlin, Parity
  • project management
  • how can Magicians take the burden off CoreDevs
  • how to talk to CoreDevs who don’t want to be so involved – do the dirty work, so they can just do the implementation

Luke:

  • Parity
  • look at EthResearch – action: make a mastering ethereum structure on Github

Boris:

  • 2 of 3 o
  • events –

Michael:

  • MyCrypto
  • education
  • bring more organizations in

Harry:

  • MyCrypto
  • Educating users on events

Kevin:

  • MyCrypto
  • Governance but also getting things done

Taylor:

  • MyCrypto
  • universal problem with remote environment – people on the inside doing things, people on the outside looking in, people on the outside
  • EF sees themselves as something
  • just communication – being very explicit, way to get more info, how to get involved
  • empowering people to take steps
  • finding people to lead the charge – ownership and altruistic

Elias:

  • spending 5 years doing uncool shit – teaching people

Nathalia:

  • GenesisDAO
  • focus on the combo of altruistic, empowered and welcome
  • being strategic
  • many ants, little convergence

Peter:

  • does this organization have teeth?
  • started as technical governance
  • how do we sustain funding without sponsors
  • money in politics is problematic
  • stepping up to technical review process

EthMagicians Getting Stuff Done / What we Do

Infrastructure

Multisig:

Aidan
Elias
Greg

Github Issue

Github Issues is inaccessible to random community members

Is it a bad thing?

Anonymity is important

  • Forum mods and rules of engagement dev – roberts rules of order – how to have civil discourse
  • Badges – create EthMagicians
  • Intro forum
    Aidan, Peter, Luke

Elias:
each community has its own rules
lists of stewards in different areas “I will teach you how this works”

Chaals:
Anonymous participation is hairy

Aidan:
Badges!

Kevin:
not time to be exclusive
you are forcing a lot of people out
onboard – as long as people are checking it

Maggie:
working with people get stuff done by some date – great
timelines deadlines accountability
what we use to get things done

Distinction?
Pseudonmyous – yes, not anonymous
Lead by example
mobs on Reddit
Can solve them – find good ways without gatekeepers

Adeo:
getting shit done

Aidan:
we got pepe’d – need to start hardening

What are magicians getting

Governance

intro

Greg:
EIP who needs – Audience Review

Phil:
EIP that came out of signaling out of Denver – clear action item

Peter:
EthMagicians – house discussions
Not secret meetings and cabals accusing

  1. Two or three teams came out of Berlin and Prague – spinning off
    Signaling apps, self organizing
    Tentagraph – link from Peter
    Aragon grant, POC

  2. More formalized – what is meant to be? Technical review of EIPs – needs to be its own thing – EIP editors more formal group

Maggie:
What makes people feel rewarded? Or formal?

Adi:
Have discussions of great action items – wait and hope
Cycle of waiting
Giving people authority or roles

Aidan:
Don’t want to formalize roles

Elias:
follow up make sure stuff gets done

Remco:
emphasize need for a technical forum
that is only accessible to people who are accesible
private forums
Boris – email, EVM discussions, etc
IETF uses mailing lists

Mike:
boards with specific technical people
core problems with EthMagicians
What it is has bloated – a lot of the problem with delivering
no incentive

Taylor:
priorities
don’t commit – can’t make myself do this, over everything that happens at my company
hard, but we have to realize that this is a priority for certain

TJ Rush:
understand
read only

Peter:
e.g fund recovery, without sock puppet levels of feedback that this should die
eg brigading and banned from a variety of channels
troll hunting

Remco:
Cambridge – lunch by Stephen Hawking
Entry exam – open to anyone

Maggie:
incentives – working at Consensys

Chaals:
don’t make exclusive venues
go troll hunting
exit barrier

Aidan:
ETH2 – no one asked us to work on beacon chain
if this is the future of Ethereum – a self organizing

Taylor:
random people doing shit for me
specific instructions
put a bounty up – do 1, 2, 3, 4
translations

Adeo:
then why do we feel stuff isn’t happening?

Taylor:
great if there are clear instructions – eg. do a google sheet

Nathalia:
curation

Adeo:
education on how / what to do

Kevin:
quantity of work vs how much stuff needs to get done
everyone wants to have their own project
no incentive to it – incentivizing people, there are very few to get stuff done
Onboard new people? Education!

Scott:
Advocate for bounties
Surface and show issues – know that it exists

Taylor:
If a person puts money on the issue, explicit directions

Phil:
afraid of incentive structures
glory in there hills
success stories – if an EIP gets implemented – being involved – ear of CoreDevs
Do the work

Elias:
known about EthMagicians
MP messaged me, can you deal with education
Link – OK, is this OK?
Gave me the confidence
Stewards, small groups

Aidan:
we must not want things

Boris:
event organizing

TJ Rush:
Provide an interface for making good bounties?

Scott:
stewardship
question – how do we pick
Education - Elias volunt

Mike:
curating active rings

Adeo:
thinking beyond the audience here
beyond active people

Elias:
don’t have time, recruit more
curation

Charles:
millions of people have done open source
basically free and inefficient
ton of work
Not too much process

Boris: Call focused in 2 weeks

Fred:
what are we trying to get done?
On CoreDevs
A year ago, CoreDevs call better, less political discussions – is this implementable or not
CoreDevs meetup at Prague
January –

Greg:
People working on EIPs can pull together help
Very hard if you’re working on something, find other people who have skill and knowledge
When you got to CoreDevs

Fred / Boris:
Action: why should CoreDevs
Expertise gathering
Long form discussion
why / how

Elias:
doesn’t need to be define
platformed for different discussions
Rings

Greg:
obvious about recruiting CoreDevs
People
CoreDevs


Adi: breakthrough Education

Adi: Frustration on Ethereum roadmap – making decisions?

Nathalie: Genesis DAO - 170 people


[Council of Paris] Content, Experiences and Feedback
#2

I’m new to Ethereum-Magicians (and Discourse) but I really liked Aidens idea of issuing badges to support [anon] contributors with a trust-level.

I’m unsure on the etiquette of noise control in replies but;

It also felt we were trying to solve the bystander-effect without entertaining the idea of stewards having delegating powers/some control of leadership to put accountability to action items not being actioned (get shit done)


#3

Less about anon contributors, more about being OK with pseudonymous participation. Badges get rewarded out of the box with Discourse and I don’t believe we’ve tweaked any settings. @ChainSafe

There are several issues in the GitHub queue already about badges and @pet3rpan was excited about this too.

I already talked to @jpitts about more mods on the forum — we’ll get an issue filed around that and nominate a group to work on this. Great to have you participate if you’re interested!

More GitHub links later :wink:


#4

RE: groups on this Forum…

We have some basics on this and it works pretty well. Are there thoughts about who would like to share the admin role of the Forum? Also, what should the process be for any new groups to set up?

This is a listing of the current groups we have in place:


#5

Let’s not use this comment thread for this – please start a new topic with this and gather your co-conspirators. And if / when you get to action items, Github Issues as tracking items.


#6

Ok, makes sense, I’ll do that!


#7

Sorry I am only responding now. I do believe we could be a little bit more specific with our badges. We can really do whatever we want with them.