Meeting Summary:
The AllCoreDevs Execution #244 meeting focused on updates and discussions around the Glamsterdam and Hagoda upgrades. Barnabas provided a DevNet update, noting progress towards launching DevNet9 for non-finality testing. The timeline for the Glamsterdam fork was discussed, with a proposed date of September 28th for Sepolia and Hoodie. Kevaundray updated the group on the history expiry retention window, with most clients aligning on a 33,000 epochs limit. Milos and Maria debated a modification to EIP-837 regarding the gas refund for self-destruct, ultimately deciding to address it for Hagoda. Zsolt presented the Trustless Log Index project and its API, encouraging clients to consider it for their preferences. The conversation ended with a significant discussion on Account Abstraction, where strong support was voiced for moving EIP-8141 (Frames) to SFI status, with the understanding that the specification may still evolve.
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The team discussed several key updates and decisions regarding the Glamsterdam upgrade. Barnabas reported that DevNet 9, featuring non-finality and high network stress with 10,000+ nodes, would launch once clients merge fixes into their trunk branches. The team reviewed a proposed timeline with September 28th floated as the potential fork date for Sepolia and Hoodie, though this requires confirmation at the next ACDC meeting. Kevaundray updated on the history expiry retention window alignment, noting that most clients including Nimbus, Aragon, and Nethermind have implemented the change, with only GAF requiring follow-up. The team debated approaches for supporting PQ deposits, with Ben Adams expressing preference against irregular state transitions due to precedent concerns, while others suggested this approach might be acceptable during major protocol rewrites. Zsolt presented the Trustless Log Index project, demonstrating a new API specification and proof system for efficient log queries that could significantly reduce storage costs. The team also addressed concerns about self-destruct gas costs, with Maria explaining the rationale for removing gas refills and emphasizing that while relative costs would increase, overall user fees should remain manageable due to base fee reductions from higher gas limits.
The team discussed updates on open PRs related to Hagotah and Glam Sedam, emphasizing the need to keep the META EIP up to date and addressing conflicts and approvals. Derek provided an update on the collaboration between EIP 8130 and EIP 8141 authors, outlining two potential outcomes: a shared transaction type or ensuring interoperability between different transaction types. The group agreed to hold weekly AA calls until a decision is made, with a deadline set by DevCon in November, and emphasized the importance of making progress while being mindful of the potential costs of delays.
The meeting focused on aligning the L1 and L2 ecosystems on transaction types, specifically discussing EIPs 8141 and 8130. Chris explained that while 8141 was designed around L1 goals, there are aspects they don’t want to use, and they’re working to determine the right shape for frames. Vitalik suggested viewing the two proposals as points in a design space with multiple dimensions that could be addressed independently, proposing a tiered approach where accounts could work on both types of chains with a smart contract wrapping layer. The discussion highlighted potential solutions including modifying the key store implementation and transaction type, with Base having a timeline to launch 8130 by end of September.
The team discussed moving forward with EIP 8141 frames for post-quantum adoption, with strong support from multiple clients including Nethermind, Etherex, and Geth. While there were concerns about potential implementation changes, the group agreed that moving to SFI (Soft Fork Implementation) status would provide clarity to the ecosystem and allow L2 teams to plan their work. The decision was made to proceed with SFI frames, with the understanding that specification changes could still occur during the collaboration process.
Next Steps:
- nixo: Talk to DevOps about the automated stream trigger issue.
- Barnabas: Launch DevNet9 (non-finality) as soon as all clients have their trunk branches ready.
- Kevaundray: Follow up async with GAF (or relevant client) for an update on the history expiry retention window implementation.
- Kevaundray: Create a PR to update EIP-4440 (4.4s) to document the 33,000 epochs retention window.
- Milos: Work with Ansgar, Maria, and the gas repricing group to develop a solution for the self-destruct gas refund issue for Hagoda, to be completed in the next 2-4 weeks.
- EL clients: Submit client preferences for Hagoda to nixo and Ansgar by September 9th (24 hours before the next ACDE call).
- EIP champions: Attend the next 3-4 ACDE calls for Hagoda scoping.
- Pooja: Follow up with Meta EIP authors (7773 and 8081) to review and approve/merge open PRs, or comment on what is missing.
- Pooja: Close PRs for EIPs dropped from Hagoda PFI (e.g., 7609, 8058) after this call.
- Zsolt: Encourage clients to review and consider ranking the Trustless Log Index (EIP-A304) as preferred for Hagoda.
- lightclient: Schedule weekly AA (Account Abstraction) calls for the next month/month and a half, starting next week (Tuesday, 14:00 UTC).
- All CoreDev participants: Aim for a final decision on moving AA (Account Abstraction) to headliner status and specific EIP by the end of the Hagoda scoping deadline (by DevCon, November 3rd).
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